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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

everyone who buys something in a shop also pays tax, because of VAT. should little Billy, 9 years old, be able to vote because ma' asked him to help her and buy a loaf of bread?

other options include either making it so that teens under 18 can work tax free, or banning people under 18 from working for money (probably the same as the other point practically while also enraging the teens), but I'm afraid that would incentivise more work instead of studying and socialization.

so, by this logic, we either fuck up their youth, ban them from working, or fuck up the whole country with even more voting gullible people.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry, I meant income tax. So little Billy will not be able to vote. My bad, Billy.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I knew what you meant, I also think that statement was wrong just for the fact that the money Billy used was not his own anyway.

The only issue i see with income tax is what about the people who don't earn any income?

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not advocating for paying income tax being a requirement to vote, that's ridiculous.

I'm arguing that people who are 16 are already afforded many of the rights and responsibilities (such as being able to work, join the military, get married with a parent's permission, etc.) that come with the concept of "adulthood" and so they should also be allowed to vote.

You're entirely missing the implicit reasoning behind my position with this comment. Hopefully you'll understand it more now that I've spelled it out, but if you still disagree, honestly I don't care and this is happening regardless.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Nope, not at all. I agree with you. I was just throwing crap out there as a hypothetical to what was said.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You realize your argument here is the same argument used against women being able to vote and black people being able to vote and a numerous others right? They're too gullible. They're not intelligent enough. They'll just do what they're told. All arguments that we've heard before.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

I don't agree. I think it's a pretty glaring large difference that we don't ban anyone from voting for life, but until they at least start to get mature, with an age limit that is the same across white young man, white young woman and black young people.

Honestly I have no idea whatsoever how did you conclude that I'm racist. I really can't help but think that you have already decided that I and everything I think is bad.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean....the youth in general don't usually come out for elections, but I'd like to think that when they do, they'll be voting for their own long-term best interests. When it comes to gullibility, plenty of older people fall for scams and cults all the time, I mean shit, look at Brexit, a case where mostly older voters voted for something they probably didn't do too much research into a side from watching a political ad and just outright believing it. If impulsivity was a problem, then older people can have that problem too. Plus...you're talking about 9 year olds? Really? It's absurd to make the argument that the group of youths a mere 1-2 years before the 18 year old adulthood designation gaining voting rights would be the same as 9 year old children gaining the right to vote.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

I mean....the youth in general don't usually come out for elections,

its just a tiktok short away. it'll also be much more efficient in telling them who to vote for than government tv channels were at any point

Plus...you're talking about 9 year olds? Really? It's absurd to make the argument that the group of youths a mere 1-2 years before the 18 year old adulthood designation gaining voting rights would be the same as 9 year old children gaining the right to vote.

obviously not. they were talking about taxpayers. everyone is a taxpayer when buying something in the shop. yes I see their edit now.