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[–] HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Pacifism, like democracy and capitalism, are functional only if everyone participate in them in good faith. There was never in human history a group of people where everyone participated in something in good faith.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

I've been thinking about that a lot lately. It seems a pretty intractable problem that we're surrounded by so many bad-faith actors. How do you ever, ever really progress like that.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

you act in spite of the bad faith actors and hope you get enough people to follow your momentum

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Changing the socioeconomic system so that bad actors are not incentivized would go a long way. Remove the profit motive, and these greedy psychopaths are reduced to mere assholes, who can safely be ignored.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

Part of the "Universal Living" economic concept that I am cooking up, is built to make assholes want to leave the workforce. This is done by putting absolute caps on wealth, assets, and income. Anything beyond the limits is taxed 100%. Once a person has fully 'topped off' their personal wealth, they would be faced with the choice of either spending their time having fun with money, or working without fiscal reward.

Part of this also involves making it so that workers vote for the pay rank of leadership, and who gets placed or retained in leadership roles. Leaders also can't own stocks and other fiscal instruments. There are multiple angles where rulemaking is concerned, to create a checks & balance to economic wealth and authority. We want bad people to not want to be leaders, having them just live their 'best life' without it needing to involve bullying other people.

[–] FatherPeanut@pawb.social 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Progress happens in spite of them, aye. Feudalism led to capitalism, while it is flawed, I'd say this is an upgrade. Capitalism originally embraced slavery, and while some aspects still exist today, mostly all capitalist governments have put massive blocks on it. Monarchism led to constitutional monarchism, the beginnings of the rule of law. Through this rule of law, democracy could be organized.

Thr next steps are entirely up to your opinion, yet I feel things will on average improve. There will be setbacks, yet onward we go.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago

Get rid of capitalism

[–] HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Progress isn't driven by peace and cooperation. Most of human inventions, improvements, everything you may call "progress of civilization" boils down to "how can we fuck over other people for our benefit". No matter what kinda change you may try to call "positive progress" it was really someone profiting by fucking over others.